How to be sublime when interviewing online

Join me, Will Ridgway and Jack Moran discuss live how to come across your best in an online Architecture interview, our thoughts, tips and techniques that will help you on the day. Don’t worry you got this!

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Will Ridgway 0:01
It’s Tuesday.

Jack Moran 0:02
It’s three o’clock.

It’s the 18th of August. That

means it’s time for another episode of careers in architecture with us, the team at the architecture social. I’m your host, Chuck Moran, joined by Stephen Drew, and good afternoon, guys.

Will Ridgway 0:14
Good afternoon. How you doing?

Jack Moran 0:17
I’m all good. How are you guys?

Stephen Drew 0:18
I’m good. I live in the COVID dream, though. I’m boiling. I’m sweating buckets. This is not prime conditions. The thing I’m not doing an online interview right now. Because this is not what you want away. This is not how you want to look. This isn’t basically how not to do it. So let’s talk about how to do it then. So well, first of all, are you wearing your trousers right now?

Will Ridgway 0:44
I’m not wearing what I would normally wear for an interview. I’m wearing like my lazy loungewear

Stephen Drew 0:49
you’re wearing?

Will Ridgway 0:55
I’m not doing an interview. But so that’s definitely something I did want to talk about. Alright, good.

Jack Moran 1:02
All good stuff aside, let’s, let’s dive into today’s topic, which is going to be how to be sublime when interviewing online. Now there’s been a catch to it, isn’t it?

Stephen Drew 1:15
You’re proud of that you missed the subprime movie. Yeah,

Jack Moran 1:19
I mean, essentially, that you think about that is going to be a lot of interviews going forward, isn’t it? You know, the very structure of how interviews, the whole hiring process has been done, has been shaken to the core. So I definitely think it’s something that’s worth talking about, because interviewing online is really different, fundamentally, to actually being there first, face to face. Do you guys have any initial thoughts on the sort of, you know, online versus people?

Stephen Drew 1:43
Yeah, do you know what so this kind of came about? Then next, we did a nice, there are now a long vision of interviewing. And by default, I almost kept going back to my experience, which was interviewing physically and digitally, is the new world like it or not, even for myself. Now I work part time, at home. And I know a lot of the time during that we’re in online meetings. And it’s the same kind of thing of actually, it’s like this, now you use that you don’t you almost you need to rehearse it, you need to get your own zone and you need to be ready. Put it this way, if I go into the management meeting, wearing a T shirt, and with my hair or sweat like this now and stuff, it’s not good. And UK, so you kind of need to dress your best, because then I think most interviews right now will be digital will be online. I think lots of the ones that in terms of what we’re doing in recruitment, and booking all in zoom meetings and stuff. So yeah, you really need to get on you need to basically practice your online interview, which is a bit of a new thing for me, as it is for a lot of the candidates right now. So let’s jump in. So so I think half of it kind of comes down to I don’t want to say it’s almost common sense. But is what it is, is I think that you’ve got the old techniques of before, which is all the stuff we talked about in the interviews, think about it, the interview, by itself is still a conversation, right? So we still have the old essences of an interview before. But now what we’ve got to do is we’ve got to prepare for it differently. And we’re going to make sure that we’re tech savvy enough that it doesn’t interrupt the interview. Because what you don’t want right now is for you to have technical problems, or for instance, to have your children screaming in the background, or have your neighbours outside. Hey, Jeff, bring me you’re gonna make sure that everything is tip top and like this pristine environment

Jack Moran 3:55
about that as well. So it’s all essentially zoom is going to be all the all the the most popular platform essentially for what people will be interviewing on. Go through as well.

Stephen Drew 4:05
Yeah, I mean, it’s like teams though. JACK. I hate teams. Sorry, Bill Gates, if you’re watching a team’s The thing is, is like some we had a bit of a giggle, but it didn’t really actually our MD even though we’ve got a zoom race and centres a team link and you’re like, Oh, no, I’ve got to sign up through it. And the thing is, whatever part from the people are interviewing God, you kind of especially in this market, right now, you’re going to go through it. This is no time to go through a stress, you go on through zoom. Now, you just got to sign up to whatever and some of them are really bad. Like I hate teams, right? You hate all that stuff. And you’ve got to make sure that it’s all set up ready to go. So first thing, do you have a laptop or a phone, okay, you need to make sure that you can share files, because I imagine right now that you’re going to be sharing, it could be a few different things. It could be that the interviewer asked you To do a screen share, and therefore you probably want your PDF, portfolio and CV on your computer reading. If it’s a screen share, what you don’t want to do is for it to pop up and they don’t see on the background like your Discord. We have random tracks and stuff like menu the other day track. Remember, my discord popped up? Luckily, there was nothing bad there. But it’s like the

Jack Moran 5:23
point that we are going on though. Because if you think you go to screenshare, not everyone is going to sort of think, Oh, hold on what’s on my watch on my browsers? or What is it?

Stephen Drew 5:34
Even like, Look, let’s just say you share your view of other people, you want to make sure your browser history and all this stuff is all crystal clear. You want to make sure there’s no files on the desktop, or for instance, so when I was in architecture, you might call things files like fine or this is ready 111 or one or this is can’t sway because we’re going to go live in Spotify, but this is you don’t want any of that emo stuff, you’re going to be really professional and What you don’t want is like a background that you get a friend or something, you know on the background, try and keep it like put in the background like a nice little bit of architecture or something, you know what I mean? So what you want to do is you want to have like this crystal clear showroom, you need to make sure that your internet is good enough and if it’s not you need to go somewhere really strong internet and you need to make sure that you have somewhere which is not noisy, you need no distractions. It’s like this Now I might have to answer the door at some point during this whole thing. Which is exactly basically if you’re watching this right now this is exactly how not to do it. I may have someone that come in at the door I will swear in Bob and I’m not really looking into the camera you almost want the camera to be like eye level or something and you don’t want to have your you don’t want you to double chin that like me I’m pulling their weight I’m

Jack Moran 6:51
not gonna care about whether or not you have a double chin that’s just even

Stephen Drew 6:55
now that’s just me now I’m making the point though you want no distractions you don’t want a weird camera angle like this. You get what I mean.

Jack Moran 7:08
You don’t want to what do we pick out well as well do you think do you think they

Stephen Drew 7:12
require an angle

Will Ridgway 7:14
I don’t think

I think the best way to have the camera is either have it on top of your screen because we want to do is you want to always make eye contact with the camera because it’s much more engaging. But I find that for me for example is very difficult for me to look at my camera cuz I often keep looking at my screen my monitor is right in front of me there but my cameras here. So one of the ways that you might want to if you’ve got laptop use your webcam is right above the monitor so the screen so it’s not really a bit of an issue there because when you’re looking to screen you’re generally also looks like you’re looking at the camera as well. But I would try and get the camera over near the screen so you can look at the screen and look at the camera at the same time. Or you have to just focus on the camera when you’re speaking because it is much more engaging. I’ve seen people as well they’ve put stuff behind the camera. So that is something actually interesting to look at whereas at the moment I have nothing behind mine and I’m really struggling to maintain it.

Stephen Drew 8:09
I’ve got my little maybe get rid of stuff like that because then I’ve got my little switch in the background my fan. Oh yeah turn your Alexa off. Alexa. Have you don’t want her going off? You know what I mean? See the

Jack Moran 8:21
grey stuff from Stephen as to what not to do online. Yeah.

Will Ridgway 8:27
I say

Stephen Drew 8:27
this. All the wrong things to just admit because this is this is the moment where you’ve got to get ready stuff like as well posture, right in good lighting, trying to get good lighting on the camera. You don’t want to look like you’re in 1987 you want to look High Definition because I think there’s something about that have you subliminally about a camera there was think that the person that were presented is strange. is I think it’s all about these little things of like don’t wear a T shirt like this wear shirts and shave and look like what we’ll say was I was joking around the bait with the truth in it that basically you don’t want to look like you’re going on Instagram or like that you need to you don’t want to like too high up and engage you want to exactly like the conditions that would be on a table where like will right now looks right about right as in like imagine him across the table. Somehow I look a bit low. So you want to kind of go up there you want to look forward you want to look straight on and if you if you have a webcam then great. You can put lights on you can buy lights online, so I use I’ve got a light here let me show you this for use for the social and for all these videos and you can buy them they’re only like 20 quid or something. And you think about if you can just make yourself look better. You’re going to be using these when you do meetings and stuff anyways in this new crazy world. So buy one of them for 20 quid and that really helps because without a way in my rooms quite dark. And what you don’t want to do is if you can you want to try to manipulate the room. into the conditions that you want to present yourself in. So you want it to be bright, you want to be energetic, and you want to sound good. And that’s the other point. So I use a microphone right now, to show you that as well. So I got my, I got a little microphone here as well, if you haven’t got that though, just get headphones or something was like really good as sound, What you don’t want is that maybe you can test the webcam, if you’ve got like a bad webcam, you don’t want it kind of picking up on the muscles and you’re

Jack Moran 10:35
actually feeling so what was going on, this is actually a really top tip. And in our company meeting some people fall victim to this, you know, you’re talking about webcams on laptops per se. A lot of older laptops come with both webcams and microphones built in. What people don’t realise, though, is that if they’ve got a speaker on a laptop with people whose voices are coming out of that, but then your microphone is also on the same laptop, and you’re talking and so you’ve got sound coming out and sound going back in. So you’re just creating a massive echo loop. And we run meetings and all it will do is send everyone up the wall, because the repeating, repeating, repeating. So make sure if you do use a laptop with a microphone, put headphones in first. Otherwise, the sound will pick up and it will repeat and your interview will probably last about three minutes.

Will Ridgway 11:20
Wow, it’s very distracting, isn’t it to try and do it worse, you hear the loop and you hear your own voice as well as

Stephen Drew 11:26
I hate the loop. So you’re onto something new. So you need to test it all out before and basically you need to test it out. So now it’s about so the trade off is that online, you don’t need to traipse around London in the suit, basically, are all hardened barbers. So remember, you’re not doing that with you. Right. So like jack says, you want to get rid of the feedback groups, you want to get rid of all that stuff. You don’t want to be the person who is in the meat and her driving going like, hey, yeah, you’re just

Will Ridgway 11:57
so annoying.

Stephen Drew 11:57
So you want it to be like in a room or almost imagine it like the apprentice room, you know, when it’s like white quiet, and you almost wanted that his new draw? Yeah, maybe you could put an actual book in the background or something like that a little taster. The focus should be about a you. And this is the this is what we’re on about when you got feedback loops and annoying stuff kicking off like that. What it does is it distracts from the conversation. And when that happens, you basically, you lose focus, people lose focus and what drags on about when, when I get feedback, or what happens is I switch off I don’t listen. And what Yeah, yeah. And when you when you irritate us, you just oh, you just don’t concentrate anymore. And when you don’t concentrate anymore, what happens then is you lose the person. It’s all about engagement. And it’s the same thing as like, what’s a boring presentation to watch as well as an interesting one. So you really need to engage the person. And so the number one barrier to innkeeper engagement right now is the tech technical side needs bang on, you want to think about what was we talked about the lighting, we talked about sound isolation you want, you got to make sure you get no distractions, and you don’t want kids screaming in the background. I know everyone’s busy. And I know it’s really difficult. If you’re a parent juggling things, you just got to make sure that no one’s around for that time. If for instance, you’re a student, check the connection. If you’re in some of the student gaps, and you’ve got this dodgy network that pings out often every and you’re on Wi Fi, you really got to maybe try and get a wired connection, you got to get everything set out. And so I like what you were saying earlier well and jack about. If you’ve got teams of whatever, you need to release tests, you should at least go into discord or something and get your friend at the test of the microphone works. And the video works. Because we added before remember the first one that we did this Where will your webcam wouldn’t work. And then the second one, mine wouldn’t work. And it was like around now and this and that. And luckily we came on half an hour before to fix these problems. The thing is, you just can’t leave things up to chance. And because if you leave it up to the moment, you’re really risking it and if you’re risking it could work out okay. could work out and not okay. The what you don’t want right now is that I’m not going to beat around the bush. This is a tough time for everyone. So if you get an interview right now we need to seize the moment. You can only do as much as you as you can. You can you can do your best. What I’m saying is you don’t want to be on a game with an A grade portfolio and a grade CV and the whole interview is tampered by dodgy connections and bad sounds because you haven’t For about that, or it’s a dark video, and you maybe you’re not wearing the right attire, so don’t wear your pants definitely when trousers like willsez you want to wait your trousers as long, you know, you want to get you want to be all presented for any kinds of Mad scenario you want to get, I get the CV and portfolio files ready, maybe even have a digital copy printed out that you can hold up or something. So you can be like, yes, there’s that. But you want to make sure that the files work test that the fireworks, remember, if you’re gonna have a big 100 meg file probably isn’t gonna be easy to display. Think about the realistic constraints that we’re in right now. So

Jack Moran 15:50
definitely, that’s food for thought as well. We were just saying so, you know, for like, say like an employer side thing I interviewed hiring on one position. And they do like 10 zoom interviews over the over the space of two days, quite tedious, isn’t it for the, for the interviewer to actually do that, even just to sit through that. So are those tendencies to want to be that person who’s known as RBF, we had this person looked arrived, but we couldn’t get here at where they were saying because of that connection, or trying to get that person and saying, you know what, this person a good portfolio, really strange enough, but really crystal clear camera and the microphone was good. And they were presented everything look professional, all these small things that Stephens going into are going to add up to essentially a big decision, which could be you know, the future of your employment or not?

Will Ridgway 16:31
Yeah,

Jack Moran 16:32
I definitely think we need to go on to the portfolio as well, guys, because it’s, it’s a bit different, isn’t it? Because we’re not now we’re not going to be attending a place where we can bring a, you know, a spanking nice looking, you know, well done portfolio. But he said, we’ve got to work with the more raw raw materials. So we’re going to be doing a screen share, aren’t we?

Will Ridgway 16:52
What guys are going to go first, because what I want to talk about is, first of all, you need to familiarise yourself with the screenshare option. Now, zoom has a screen share teams has screen share Skype does as well, discord does, but no one uses discord for interviews. But find out first of all, if you have a screen share option. And if you do familiarise yourself how you get it working. Now what I would first of all do is I have all your I’d have your CV, your sample portfolio, your full portfolio, your technical portfolio, and then have any other supporting documents all in one file. So that it’s very easy to find you have it they’re open, so you can just quickly go through them all. And then you can talk to you, you can talk to them about each particular one, it’s important to have the CV there, so you can talk about that. But then also your portfolio portfolio, but you got to make sure as well, that it’s it’s organised in a way that it is easy for you to navigate through. Because the reality is you’re not going to go through the entire portfolio just like you wouldn’t in real life. So it’s important you can you’re able to chunk it down, and then give them the option, as we said in our previous webinar, whether or not you want to go in further. And that’s why also the technical portfolio is important as a separate document. So you can just show some of that as well, just to show that you’ve done it if you have done it. And then of course the the other supporting documents as well, I think they’d be very important to have as well, whether they like your paintings, sculptures or whatever else for you like hobbies, that’s important to have it all in one place so that you can find it easily. And you can just, you know, share them all in one go. And it’s saved as well, I have to go in your desktop trying to find which documents are which. So it’s all organised in one place, it makes it a lot easier means you can get for a lot more stuff as well in the interview. So it’s

Stephen Drew 18:41
what I don’t want, I’m curious. So I wonder you need to find out before the interview, whether you’re presenting the work, or they’re gonna flick through it almost, because I wonder whether or not they get the file or what I imagined they will do is they will ask you to present it. Okay. And if you are present in your file, your screen sharing, you need to do it. It’s the same skills that we talked about. So what I’d like to would do is, so this isn’t going to be the hour long talk that we did before an interview because I think that’s a very good general introduction and an overview of an interview. What this is about is instilling the bits we talked about in that interview video in a digital medium. And so my point is who as well saying you you’re going to find out how to share this file and how are you going to present it. What you don’t want to do is bang on for ages almost boring. The interviewer to that because you’re, you’re you’ve control. When you control the medium. It’s like it’s when an interview you have a physical document that you can go through together and you’re you’re almost like you’re flicking through a story with and you’re assessing the pace based upon the person so you need to pay more real attention in this digital online interview, when people are kind of have a glazed look over their face, you got to think about the pace, you got to think about how fast they’ve got, how fast you’re going, how slow, maybe you’re going, and you need to assess the whether or not you need to speed up or slow down, you do not want to stay forever on one sheet. And you do not want to start with your work further away, you want to talk about your most relevant work straightaway. This is normally industry experience. And then it’s normally after your academic project, your most recent academic going down to your later academic work, what you don’t want to do is start on what you did during your first year or part one, then first year, part two, first year, part three, such an anti climatic thing to do, and loads of people make the mistake. And if you’ve already worked in industry, you need to talk about that because guess what you were hiring someone, ideally with industry experience if you’re a graduate, okay, it’s not expected. If you have something, for instance, work experience, so forth, you should always jump in with that first, I would, because it’s what the employer is hiring you for they’re hiring you to work on a professional team, using software. Online projects, if you both on live projects, it’s good highlight during the interview software’s that you’ve been using. This is an example of work that I’ve done in Revit. This is Photoshop, this is suiting software that I use. And then so we’re in the interview, remember, they we talked about getting your kit perfect, be prepared that their kids isn’t perfect, be provided that they connection isn’t perfect, be prepared for things to drop out. And if worst case things do go wrong, stay calm, try to be human about it. My doorbell goes right now I’ve

Jack Moran 22:02
got to answer it. And that’s why I always make a joke about it for you. If I can just draw back to one of your presentation points you picked up on something quite fundamental. Their presentations themselves, you know, are quite a big thing, aren’t they? Because it takes a lot of skill to do so by presenting like, say over a screenshare what you said about the idea of running on for too long, it is quite imperative actually, you’re not sitting in a room full of people, this time where you’ll be you know, actively going through your portfolio physically, you’ll be doing it online on a computer. So what a lot of people might run the risk of is really actually either talking too fast or talking too slowly. This is why I would say suggestion, do a mock presentation with a friend with an old colleague with a student friend doesn’t matter who but just just say Do you mind if I attend to 20 minutes at a time, just so I can get an idea of what it’s like to talk about my portfolio online not talk about in front of people because there’s a lot more interactive when you’re face to face. But doing it online would run the risk of you know you essentially blabbering on for too long. Or you might start doing the annoying thing of just scrolling down you know, you say to me Steven, I’m too fast on the computer, sometimes it can be distracting content. And if people are scrolling through their portfolio a million miles per hour, they’re going to run the risk. So top tip would definitely be to do some sort of mock presentation on your portfolio just to get an idea of you know, the key things that you want to talk about. Yeah, that was one I wanted to make add on.

Stephen Drew 23:32
Yeah, I guess the other thing I was going to mention this that’s on my screen right now I’ve so what I was looking at is that my chat was down here as you know, it’s sort of this whole thing I’ve been kind of talking here because I can see Jack’s face I a jack and well down here I rang but the thing is what you want to do is you want to put it if you can near where the camera is like this now already is looking closer and then try to remind yourself to look into the camera as much as possible. So if I did the whole thing like this, this is much more engaging than basically looking down here all the time so you can look at the camera and then maybe you go into the thing and you go like that. So what I’m doing Jeff is that I did this project there and that is much more engaging try to look at eye contact it’s like a YouTuber they don’t go what’s happening guys, they go Hey, what’s happening guys, I am Stephen Drew and because you’re looking at the camera, so you want to try and capture it contact you wanted to do move, get the lighting, looking good. You want to make sure that your connections working well and you’re going to get your CV and portfolio Tip Top ready. Make sure that the files are perfect. Make sure that you’ve sent them across that just in case anything goes wrong. Make sure the compression is good. The drawings are crisp, you don’t want anything blurry. Make sure that the files not too long. So I mean, the theme of this whole little tidbit that we’re doing now is you need to instil the same old school things of why an interview works. Remember that they are hiring a person, that and you in the interview you need to get across, you need to convince them why they’re gonna hire you. So you need to do that the old school techniques in the other video that we’ve done with what we talked about here are thinking about, how do you convey emotion? How do you convey interests? How do you convey excitement about working with this company? And how do you convey all the stuff that you’ve done in all the good stuff in your, in your portfolio, so that they hire you? That’s the whole goal is to get hired right now. And I think if you if you use technology, as a strength right now, it’s going to help you out. So what I’m on about is if you invest a little bit of money in a webcam, it’s always going to be useful because we were online, and you probably don’t work part time online, at home in this new world, and part time in an office anyways. So invest in a webcam, invest in a good headset. I think I got eight iPhone. Yeah, I’m not up to date with the kids. I’m not sure an iPhone.

Jack Moran 26:31
Five iPhone is like a loan from someone about like all the airports, even though they’re like a few 100 pound box, you can download

Will Ridgway 26:41
these 40.

Jack Moran 26:45
Amazon, they do these for 4050 pounds, I think we woke up near enough the same ones, but they have, I think they’re really good.

Stephen Drew 26:52
I like them. Because I want to get away, I want to get rid of these. I don’t like these fraying sources I’ve got on my head, I think there will be a bit distracting. And what I quite like is wills, they’ll add part one. So I’m going to invest in one of them. Will you need to send me the link actually, after this, that would be handy. Because what I don’t like is these videos that I do, I’ve got this big thing and they’d like they make your yours really hot. I mean, they’re quite nice sounding doesn’t matter right now. So you want to get rid of all this and maybe get like, so you look like well, which way you look like your report in the evening news bodies. I think if you invest in a good camera and this kind of stuff, it’s going to be useful for your career right now. And what I’m saying is, you’re probably going to be in that advantage for someone who hasn’t thought about all this stuff. And I am wonder if you do an experiment right now, everyone will say subjectively, that sorry, everyone will say like, Look, it doesn’t matter about technology doesn’t matter about this, the best candidates, the best work will get the job. My point is though, that people are assessing who is the best based upon this interview, and all the technology in the only emotion case and I paid off and that is the bit that’s going to tip the tip your the odds in your favour because the strength of your work. Okay, let’s say know you’ve got a killer CV and portfolio. If you’ve got amazing technology, and you you can manipulate you the the situation that we’re in right now to your advantage by sounding crazy, you’re looking at an emotion and you’re in a room which is quiet, you set everything up, you tested it, the focus is going to be on that work, and the focus is going to be on you and I guarantee you you will get the job offer over someone that has equally as good a portfolio but the interview let them down a little bit. Because there’s something about when people make a decision after they apply. Oh, yeah, but jack super professionals and age yet email CV portfolios and saying that Oh, well as was the same level, but is maybe it was a bit harder to hear. Well, it was like yeah, I liked him. I just felt that me and jack had a bit more of a connection. Why? And you’re like, wow, that’s insane. That’s how people work. And because you’re not there in a room with someone right now, you can’t convey that emotion. So you have to use the tools in your disposal. It’s like me when I started this sad little headset, which because I found the sound that really was really convenient for me, or more I’ve learned is that the microphone sounds better. And getting a high definition camera sound, it looks professional. And well. The other thing is that I buy these lights and they absolutely shine them me and I like is kind of looks crisper more professional. And there’s all these things which add up to make the overall picture of you better. So that’s my summary for it. I don’t really have much to add to that. I think that you need to manipulate all the software you can too So the hardware, learn the software, buy the nice webcam, spend a few pounds, I know it’s not the best time, you’re gonna forever use online software. It’s the new world. Get that test everything out, make sure you see the portfolio’s that make sure you’ve got no dodgy files on your, on your desktop, and dress math and try to enjoy it. Because if you’ve got all that ticking for you, I think you’re in a really good position so you can then relax and be yourself because that’s what’s going to get you the job.

Jack Moran 30:33
Well also, if someone does happen to walk into your room halfway through, you know the interview or something you know, a child should walk in or a cat walks in. Don’t go on a mad one and start shouting obscenities and profanities at them because we’re not gonna do any favours. Everyone knows that you know that your employer, your potential employers will always know that you’re at home, they know what life is like to say apologise, ask them to leave politely and get back to play call. Do not let it throw you off your balance. Okay.

Will Ridgway 31:01
I think that’s a definitely a big thing. We’ve

Jack Moran 31:03
all seen that BBC clip hammy the famous one. Yeah, exactly. But you find it cool. Like he just he literally he waited for them to go. And then he and then he carried on and you forget about it. So these things happen. Just play a call, keep a calm head and do your best,

Stephen Drew 31:20
you know, do your best. Just try and remind them that you’ve got the interview beforehand? Yeah, you know, and they probably will sign over the door. But if like Amazon knocks on the door, because that’s when I got my Lambo was beep, beep, beep, and it could go any second now. You’re right, you’ve got to embrace it. And you’ve got to adapt. Yes, definitely. Well, what do you what are you what any any words of wisdom before we go?

Will Ridgway 31:47
One William wisdom would be that there’s often a time delay when you’re on online interviews. So it’s important to listen and then pause before start speaking because otherwise, you end up a bit of sometimes you end up clashing and speaking at the top of each other, it’s not very good. So, you know, take the time to pause. It’s not awkward, let it happen. And then speak that. Anything else that say,

Jack Moran 32:10
cool, all the small things, but they will all make a big difference in the end one of the guys?

Stephen Drew 32:15
I think so. So what should we talk about next week, I cannot like this short, though our format is something like boom, boom, boom, to the point, maybe what we’ll do is we’ll we’ll ask what you guys want to talk about next week? And we will do? How about this. So on the architecture social, if you understand that theory, yeah, it’s a community platform for students, professionals, and more and more employers every day, what maybe what we’ll do is we’ll put a poll on them and see what people want to talk about. And it will maybe it can be next week, we can have Tuesday’s William wisdom session with a choice of whatever you want. So perhaps if you’re not driving on the Acacia social Checkout, every day, we live with our architecture, social comm you can sign up to the community is absolutely free. And if you are an existing member, we will put that post on after this. But thank you so much for signing and listening.

Jack Moran 33:08
And that wraps us up for this week. So thanks, everyone for joining and enjoy the rest of your week. We’ll see you next week.

Will Ridgway 33:14
Thank you very much. Goodbye,

Jack Moran 33:15
everybody. Bye

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